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[Gil Sansón]

Probably everyone "in the Left" were pretty sure up until the late seventies: Nono's crisis was not only a personal affair. For different reasons, from 1973 onwards it was all the way down, defeat, fragmentation, disillution, dismantling for those who were pretty sure about anything in the Left. Nono's work from then on does the same as the films by Chris Marker from the same years (Le fond de l'air est rouge, Sans soleil) for example.
But earlier, in the years you said "he was pretty sure about his politics", many of his own side or field denied that his music had any chance to influencing the workers, or to propel a revolutionary process, or to "raise conscience", because, "workers can't understand tape music". (Mikis Theodorakis said that in a debate with Nono, held here in Chile in 1971).

I think that silence was for Nono, apart from what you rightly say, the field of the possible (that is, of a revolution not yet imagined), of possible listening(s); in some text Deleuze talks about "an impossible ear".

Agree with this 100%, beautifully stated.

Nono was also perhaps the only main composer of his generation to have truly understood the possibilities of free improvisation when gathering material for a composition, and the direction to where his last works seem to point is not far from what you actually find on labels like Another Timbre (Roberto Fabricciani was the original player in both tape and premiere of A Pierre, Dell'azzurro Silenzio, Inquietum), so it wouldn't be too wild a guess to imagine that he would have remained relevant today if he was still with us.

I don't know about "truly understood", but many composers were investigating improvisation (Maderna, Earle Brown, Johannes Fritsch, Erhard Karkoshka [teacher of M. Spahlinger]) and others abandoned composition altogether (Franco Evangelisti of Gruppo di Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza, was a sort of "role model" to Cardew.)
As for Nono's presence today: I remebered a concert set up by Antoine Beuger in Düsseldorf, in 2012: first ...sofferte onde serene..., second Non consumiamo Marx[/quote]

Yes, that paragraph was a bit misleading, but I used the term "main composer" to suggest that short list that includes Boulez, Stockhausen and a few others. I was referring to the main composers of his generation. Brown, Evangelisti and Cardew are from the nest generation.

[bedouin]

...Also woth mentioning is the fact that the events of 1968 resonated for far longer in Italy than in other countries. Hindsight is always 20/20 and I'm sure I would have gone drunk with all the slogans and seemingly real possibility of a more just world if I was living in those years. Today, 2014, and living in Venezuela, I can state that a government hell bent on destroying the industrial sector, reliant on imports and militarized beyond control while claiming to be a Marxist revolution to the general aquiescence of the international left proofs that Marxism is a religion, always in the right. The left needs to get rid of Marx as actuality. Marx is a burden, just as Freud is a burden, as Deleuze and Guattari have proven. It's a huge contradiction to claim to be in the vanguard and keep bringing these thinkers who actually offered an exit from Marxist dogma back to the soldier ranks while Marx watches from above, which is what made the left reach a cul de sac. Today in Venezuela the government is by all accounts a savage neoliberal enterprise in which bankers and yes men get all the resources while the working class has become the lumpen that has to put on a red hat and go to a rally to get a bag of goods and some cash. This working class with no formal work (unless you deem worthy of the working class to resort to street vendors is progress for the working class) keeps hoping that "the supreme and eternal commander" Hugo Chavez helps them from the afterlife, where he tenderly watches over all of us in company of Bolivar and Guevara. A whole country turn to shreds in the name of a hollow word like socialism (not sayin it was hollow fifty years ago, but it truly is today, especially in Latin America) If the term socialism can be mistaken for what's happening today in Venezuela, then clearly this term has become useless.

Awesome!
and very much applicable to the crisis countries of the South part of the EU too.

[Joda]

Andrea Neumann/Bonnie Jones - green just as I could see

Getting psyched to see this duo on their west coast tour.

[dialectics of shit]

Andrea Neumann/Bonnie Jones - green just as I could see

Getting psyched to see this duo on their west coast tour.

Thanks for the tip. I'll be at the Portland date.

[Gil Sansón]

Butcher, Durrant, Lovens, Malfatti, Russell News From The Shed (emanem)



Enjoying this very much. I'm reminded of the first and second Polwechsel albums. Some parts are indeed a bit chatty, but others sound quite current, and it's a pleasure to listen to Malfatti doing stuff he won't touch with a ten foot pole nowadays without sounding too efi to these ears.

[F&B]

[misengarde]

Parktdolg "Senegambia Recordings" (Veglia)

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[walto]

https://soundcloud.com/kalmanovitch/imp ... maneri-and

[Piano Mouth]

Ilsa Gold - Regretten? Rien!

I don't regret... It's a fun compilation. Quite mixed.

This is crazy good, though not sure about the screwing around that they do in between songs.

[cleanzero]

I Am the Last Of All the Field That Fell - Current 93


WONDERFUL new album by Tibet & co.

[Dan Warburton]

[GerCoffey]

Thurston Moore and Loren Connors - The Only Way To Go Is Straight Through - Northern Spy Records

[cleanzero]

Once they were metal

[GerCoffey]

[precision]

Golden Retriever - Seer (Thrill Jockey, 2014)

[This is PRE]

Once they were metal
[...]]

Both of these disappointed me. The Sunn O))) / Ulver collab was underwhelming too.

[schiksalgemeinschaft]

Once they were metal
[...]]

Both of these disappointed me. The Sunn O))) / Ulver collab was underwhelming too.

this shouldn't be a surprise. reunion cynic? ulver? sunn? alcest? aside from cynic and maybe ulver, they were never metal in the first place. the cover art of both that cynic and alcest (and actually that of sunn/ulver too) says more than enough: avoid: pretentious drivel.

more importantly: it's hard to think of any metal band branching out into other genres that has been successful.

[This is PRE]

In the case of Sunn O))) and Ulver, I couldn't care less that it's not metal and really, genre being obsolete they can label themselves whatever -- my point simply was that for what it is, that record did not work for me. Same for Cynic and Alcest. I've liked previous records by all of these outfits, so I don't think it was wrong of me to hope for something better, all pretention aside (and speaking of pretention, on a forum that mainly focuses on and caters to many high-minded and elitist musics, erm, well... I'll let that one go.) But these things happen and bad records abound in all spheres of sound production.

EDIT: Also judging a record by its cover, tsk tsk...

[faster]

a forum that mainly focuses on and caters to many high-minded and elitist musics

You're a real peach.

[jon abbey]

more importantly: it's hard to think of any metal band branching out into other genres that has been successful.

I don't listen to almost any metal, but Corrupted kills on the non-metal parts of their records, especially that long piano intro one.