broetzmann

[negative potential]

I listened to everything 50's on as I could never deal with the older sounding records

No Hot 5s and 7s? Blanton-Webster Band? Intuition by Tristano? Nat Cole Trio? Count Basie with Lester Young and Chu Berry?

Man, lot of great stuff you're neglecting.

Misha Mengelberg to Braxton to Brotzmann

How many times I gotta tell you Stevie Rey, if you can't make an umlaut with your keyboard, the dude's name is spelled B-r-o-e-t-z-m-a-n.

'O' and 'Ö' are two different letters in German, the umlaut is not just an accent mark. 'O E' is an acceptable substitute for non-umlaut-friendly keyboard.s

[Vincent Kargatis]

'O' and 'Ö' are two different letters in German, the umlaut is not just an accent mark. 'O E' is an acceptable substitute for non-umlaut-friendly keyboard.s

One non-negligible practical issue is online searches: 'brotzmann' will return 'brötzmann', but 'broetzmann' will not. That issue alone swings my preference towards online use of the lazy former (barring the proper umlaut).

[negative potential]

1. I'm mainly just busting Stevie Rey's balls,

and,

2. On the scale of world problems, misspelling people's names is certainly way towards the bottom. Jon used to always correct people who spelled his name John (I think I might have done that once or twice), so I can imagine it is sort of a minimal courtesy and sign of respect to spell somebody's name right.

[negative potential]

P.S.

'brotzmann' will return 'brötzmann', but 'broetzmann' will not.

Try Google.de http://www.google.de/#hl=de&source=hp&q ... 71a3ea07f2

P.P.S.

Coolest search result: Peter Brötzmann, tax consultant: http://www.peter-broetzmann.de/

[Dan Warburton]

What's with all these umlauts? Starting a Metal band? (On the subject, can anyone tell me why Metal bands started pütting ümlauts ëverywhere?)

[fearandpanic]

(On the subject, can anyone tell me why Metal bands started pütting ümlauts ëverywhere?)

There's a useful entry on metal umlauts on Wikipedia, at least for compiling a list of bands.

Presumably, in a mixed up way, it was to evoke "the Wagnerian aspect of Metal" (Richard Meltzler, referring to his suggestion of its use for Blue Öyster--Oeyster?--Cult, an early example), combined with its anachronistic visual association with the stereotypical fearlessness in battle of ancient Germanic or Northern European peoples. To a naïve British or American person appealing to these features, it seems to come with the use of the blackletter typeface, despite the illogicality of connecting ancient and preliterate and modern and literate German societies. Or, for Spinal Tap (who put theirs over the N), "It's like a pair of eyes. You're looking at the umlaut, and it's looking at you." Moetoerhead must have had their tongues in their cheeks, coming out of the proggy Hawkwind, for whom Michael Moorcock provided sci-fi concepts ("TECHNICIÄNS ÖF SPÅCE SHIP EÅRTH THIS IS YÖÜR CÄPTÅIN SPEÄKING YÖÜR ØÅPTÅIN IS DEA̋D").

Maybe part of the metal outlook is the evocation of waves of barbarian assaults on Roman civilisation and Christian values. In the 1960s and 70s, when rock bands presumably first started doing this, there must also have been an element of shock value in the use of German imagery when Germany was still overwhelmingly associated with the Nazi period. (The fact that blackletter was used by monks in Christian manuscripts in the centuries before printing--and that it continued to be used in printing in a Christian society until Fraktur was denounced by the Nazis in the early 40s as "Jewish"--seems to be of less importance for metal fans than the fact of it being vaguely German.)

Obviosuly the printing character of two dots is used for different things in different languages. Magma used them for visual flair as part of an invented language, seperate from their function as vowel changers or vowel seperators in other languages; and they have been used by bands for Turkish references (Amon Düül), among other things.

[Gaendaal]

I think the best explanation comes from Lemmy (also via the wiki link) - "I only put it in there to look mean." Is there a need for further explanation...?

The best useage of metal umlauts I know of is the FOUR-UMLAUT Aäkon Këëtrëh. Amazing.

[fearandpanic]

The best useage of metal umlauts I know of is the FOUR-UMLAUT Aäkon Këëtrëh. Amazing.

This one (from the Wikipedia list) is funny as well.

"The Schwartzdorf-based old school heavy metal band Insidiöus Törment use gratuitous umlauts, but pronounce them nonetheless."

[Dan Warburton]

Moetoerhead

Hähä, hilarious! Nice to see you posting again, F.

[jon abbey]

the imaginary metal band name I always liked was Gröinfire, but maybe I should leave that for David Keenan now.

[negative potential]

Hey, if the mods are going to delete totally innocuous and inoffensive posts, and disappear them down the memory hole by not even putting them in the dead letter office, could you all at least use your moderating powers to correct Stevie Rey's incorrect spelling of the names of saxophonists he purports to respect?

[RFKorp]

if you're talking about the spelling conversation, it went to IHE.

http://ihatemusic.noquam.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5783

[mudd]

so should i rename this thread 'the memory hole'?

m

[fearandpanic]

could you all at least use your moderating powers to correct Stevie Rey's incorrect spelling of the names of saxophonists he purports to respect?

the dude's name is spelled B-r-o-e-t-z-m-a-n.

You mean B-r-ö-t-z-m-a-n-n?

[negative potential]

D'öh!

[cheerios]

He did appear wolf like when he came to Amherst college arhem arhem.