kevin drumm

[bryan]

i'm using winrar, and i couldn't unzip it. what you do, is you right click on it and choose "extract to". you mark "keep damaged files" and save the new settings. then it will work, and the file plays fine.

Thanks, grisha. Got it working now.

[snailed]

i wasn't sure if the silences were compositional choices or spaces between the songs. on the included text, drumm implies that the CD would have four separate tracks.

yeah, pretty sure they are compositional choices. i think its just a master without the split points, which would just be a single file, but as the cd would sound. its hard to tell where the split points would be, but possibly after some of the major dynamic changes. but im just assuming here. anyway, to me, it works nicely in the composition. simple, well done little piece.

[William Hutson]

yes, but you see what i mean, i'm sure. there are silences between any two tracks on a rolling stones record, but we don't consider them to be 'compositional.' you wouldn't say: 'i really like the silences on sticky fingers.' (or maybe you would, i don't know).

[Daniel Jones]

I've just bought me a copy of 'Second'! Apparently Perdition Plastics have re-pressed both this and his self-titled first album (500 copies of each) and you can get them directly from him as of now!

http://recreationalpanick.blogspot.com/

[jon abbey]

s/t is also coming on vinyl in feb, according to KD. I should have copies of the reprint CDs at erstdist within the week.

[snailed]

yes, but you see what i mean, i'm sure. there are silences between any two tracks on a rolling stones record, but we don't consider them to be 'compositional.' you wouldn't say: 'i really like the silences on sticky fingers.' (or maybe you would, i don't know).

you could just as well say that about the silences on any contemporary record. are the silences in between each note on, say, something like "futatsu", just spaces in between the "songs"? sometimes silences are just used as a device to separate tracks (as you say, like on sticky fingers or any other pop record) and sometimes they are used as a compositional device.

on "lights out", there are some excessively long points of silence (or at least very quiet sounds) that are used quite obviously in the context of the composition - not merely something to divide the tracks (an afterthought or something done in mastering)

[William Hutson]

yes, but you see what i mean, i'm sure. there are silences between any two tracks on a rolling stones record, but we don't consider them to be 'compositional.' you wouldn't say: 'i really like the silences on sticky fingers.' (or maybe you would, i don't know).

you could just as well say that about the silences on any contemporary record. are the silences in between each note on, say, something like "futatsu", just spaces in between the "songs"? sometimes silences are just used as a device to separate tracks (as you say, like on sticky fingers or any other pop record) and sometimes they are used as a compositional device.

on "lights out", there are some excessively long points of silence (or at least very quiet sounds) that are used quite obviously in the context of the composition - not merely something to divide the tracks (an afterthought or something done in mastering)

i agree. i thought they sounded great, but didn't mention them since the piece was clearly supposed to be divided into multiple tracks. i wasn't sure-- that's all that i was saying.

[snailed]

i agree. i thought they sounded great, but didn't mention them since the piece was clearly supposed to be divided into multiple tracks. i wasn't sure-- that's all that i was saying.

yeah definitely kind of tricky knowing which track starts when - maybe someone can e-mail kevin to find out.

[bryan]

There's a section of Lights Out that's just a really high frequency tone for a bit. Didn't notice it on first listen because I had the volume low (yeah, I know.. rebelling against the "max volume" suggestion). Maybe you noticed it, but FYI in case that's part of the silence y'all are discussing.

[free math]

yeah that tone is super quiet and super high... and sounds awesome if you turn it up. around 11:45.

[Chromosome]

I'm kind of surprised that after five months, more people haven't responded to my question here about Particles and Smears:

If track 4 is my favorite track on the album, have I missed the point of the album?

For those of you who don't have the tracks with you, I would say that track 4 seems to be one of the least jittery of the rest, with drawn out tones, vibrations etc. I've listened to this album a lot since I bought it and feel guilty(?) for mostly enjoying those few minutes. Can anyone maybe give me a new perspective on the more "cut up" style of the rest of the album?

And my addendum to the question:

More specifically, I guess I'm perplexed by the "cut-up" style of Drumm that I mentioned earlier in this thread. Patience and the act of waiting are often cited as key aspects of EAI. And while I don't doubt that Drumm and Tétreault put thought into their music, I find myself suspicious of the speed of the playing on Particles and Smears. I don't mean to say that that I don't enjoy it. But I fear I may be missing the point if I'm veering towards the tendency of thinking of it as "neat sound, neat sound, neat sound..." I hope I don't come off looking like a fool here. I want to share in the excitement for this music that I see from many of you.

[mudd]

i don't really know how anyone could answer that question, to the extent that i recognize it as a question at all. maybe that's why it has remained unanswered.

m

[Chromosome]

i don't really know how anyone could answer that question, to the extent that i recognize it as a question at all. maybe that's why it has remained unanswered.

m

Probably. Oh well. I was just trying to get to the bottom of certain gestures in that album.



Man, lately I've been thinking that I don't even really like music.

[jkudler]

lou, didn't we discuss this, i guess privately?

seems like as good a place as any to post this:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_br ... joys_thing

-jesse

[Chromosome]

Yeah, Jesse, we talked about this album a bit in messages. Thanks for that, by the way.

My apologies for any derailment of the thread I've caused.

[moesgaard]

A few words:
Particles and smears is really typical of Drumm from this era. The guy always liked to fuck with peoples expectations (his own words), hence the constant surprises and frustration: Oooh, what a nice sound....oh no it's gone.
As far as i'm concerned, i've always loved this approach (i miss it a little in his recent work, it kind of shows again though). The thing is that it's not so much about cut up than disguising the transitions between sounds and gestures. It's like small opening windows to a weird and unknown world of sounds. And if you add the extreme sensibility of the guy and his love for texture and sound, you have one of the most amazing of sound forms . Anyway the blocks of sounds / silence approach really spread after that (the berlin scene for exemple, with dorner, neumann, krebs etc...), You don't like this either?

If you want some nice and quiet without the deranged slices of silence, then i'd recommend Second, Triangles and Imperial Horizon.

Someone probably already linked this, but here's a great interview from the old days, which imo helps a lot figuring what kind of guy he is and the way he approaches things:

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/ ... -drumm.htm

[undo]

heh, if i've done nothing else in this world, i'll still be proud of that one.

edit (for something other than self-back-patting): kd's first album is on my very short list of recordings so perfect i have a hard time believing they exist. i can practically sing along these days...

[oldirtybastien]

kd's first album is on my very short list of recordings so perfect i have a hard time believing they exist. i can practically sing along these days...

Now maybe that would make an interesting record : joe panzner sings kevin drumm

[RFKorp]

kd's first album is on my very short list of recordings so perfect i have a hard time believing they exist. i can practically sing along these days...

Now maybe that would make an interesting record : joe panzner sings kevin drumm

I just hope the world is ready.

http://twitter.com/trace_being/status/8252086156

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