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overconfident in days that predeceased the two matches against England [or at least that's how it looked like in Croatian medias] and that a combination of various mentality-type reasons eventually turned the unrealistic general public's expectations into unneeded pressure and subsequently into disappointment and disillusion.
You are much closer to the situation than I am DA, but I think that is a pretty good reading. I think they played well over their heads in the first Euro qualifying match at Wembley, taking advantage of English overconfidence and unpreparedness, then benefitted from a brilliant tactical substitution against Germany in the Euros, and then got unlucky against Turkey. Then since fallen back to reality due to a lot of things you mentioned, including lack of quality and depth on the back line. Overconfidnce. Focusing only on England, looking past the qualifying stages particularly Ukraine who is an improved squad. Maybe there was some letdown after the 5-1 shellacking in Wembley. I dont know, that was the only match I was able to wathc.

The funniest theory I've heard is that since England was essentially playing a friendly against Ukraine on Sat since they had already secured their spot in the Finals, and knew what the match meant to Vatreni hopes, they (maybe didnt "tank" the match, but) didnt give it their all as payback / vegence for Vatreni knocking them out of the Euro qualifiers. heh. All's fair in love and football. :)

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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... us&cc=5901

Wow, awful, glad he's OK though. Though this strikes a huge blow (pardon the pun) to the US' hopes for SA next summer. Daves' was a game-changer, and I was hoping this would be a real breakthrough tournament for him. Hope he gets better soon.

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Croatia needed to flush out their old farts. Paging Karol Brueckner. Kovac is a sieve, they have tons of very young talent that should've been highlighted (as Rakitic was). Totally blows they're out of it, always a thrilling side with a lot of fight to watch.

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Egypt at Algeria next month with a spot in the WC on the line. Egypt must win. Gabon still has an outside shot at qualifying over Cameroon, but I don't see Cameroon losing to Morocco. Nigeria trails Tunisia in that group. Ghana and Cote D'Ivoire already in.

Argentina in, Honduras in for the first time since 1982. The Swiss are in, also. Costa Rica against Uruguay next month for the last spot from North/South America. They would have qualified if not for that last minute penalty kick netted by Bornstein last night. Dagger.

The Davies injury will be brutal for the U.S., if he can't play next summer or is not in top form.

Assuming Cameroon makes it over Gabon, the African sides will be reasonably strong next summer. I hope one can find a way to the quarters, or better yet, the semis, with it being in South Africa and all.

Funny that I've heard some commentators talk about the African heat for the tournament next summer....Not really, it will be heading towards winter in South Africa by then; the night matches will be chilly especially. I always find it amusing that people don't realize how cold it can get down here from May through August.

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MRS wrote:Croatia needed to flush out their old farts. Paging Karol Brueckner. Kovac is a sieve, they have tons of very young talent that should've been highlighted (as Rakitic was). Totally blows they're out of it, always a thrilling side with a lot of fight to watch.
Ditto Czech Rep. They didnt make it out of their group (Slovakia, Slovenia). And how about those Bosnians qualifying over the Turks!

BTW, Kovac retired after the Kazak match (83 caps!)

Only caught part of the US match last night in a sushi bar in Scotts Valley while trying to repeatedly stop my son from reaching over and grabbing the sushi boat. ITS NOT A TOY!

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Robert Enke (Germany's #1 keeper) just stepped in front of a train and killed himself, fucking awful.

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That's just so horrendous, I simply can't believe it.

I just read he received psychological assistance for his depression after death of his baby-daughter in 2006. He was a PETA activist.

Oh, man...

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Prediction for tomorrow's UEFA play-offs:

Russia - Slovenia 1:1

Very tactical, tight and overall boring game with two practically impenetrable defenses on both sides (Russians conceeded 6, Slovenians only 2 during the campaign so far). The game winner as well as the round winner will be decided either by: 1) individual skills of Russians forwards 2) mistakes 3) luck

Greece - Ukraine 3:1

Ukraine is a one-trick pony, while Greeks at least look like a team. Ukrainians will try to stall, keeping the ball with doing nothing whatsoever with it and steal time from the 1st minute hoping for a miracle by Sheva. Greeks weren't doing exceptionally well in these qualifiers, but I believe they are better then Ukrainian team.

Republic of Ireland - France 0:1

France will have ball around 70% of the time which will work just fine for the RoI team because they wouldn't even know what to do with it anyway, but to traditionally pass it way up forward and hoping for a blunder of the last line. France may get frustrated after dominating 2/3 of the game without any result and that's precisely what the Irish are hoping for. However, I think France will scrape through somehow.

Portugal - Bosnia & Herzegovina 2:4

I think the most interesting matchup. This is gonna be football proper: no tactics, no stable defenses, just 180 minutes of chaotic, attacking football after which we'll count who scored more. Portugal is a favourite, but I have an impression Bosnia could play anyone and win.

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And in reality what happened was:

Russia - Slovenia 2:1 - After an unfortunate 1:0 ending of a overall excellent 1st half, Slovenia completely lost their grip in the 2nd and throughout the 2nd half risked of being left completely hopeless for the Maribor rematch with a thick 3:0 loss. Luckily, they managed to pull one back towards the end of the game and even give an awful scare to everybody present in he 92nd minute. Akinfeev pulled a world class save and spared Russians of a complete embarrassment.

Greece - Ukraine 0:0 - Glad I didn't watch it and somehow I'd be happiest if none of these teams would progress, but alas..

Rep. Ireland - France 0:1 - Irish were dominated especially in the 2nd half and lucky enough to avoid a heavier defeat.

Portugal - Bosnia & Herzegovina 1:0 - Portugal deservedly won after dominating much of the game and creating most of the chances, although Bosnia created the two best ones [they had hit the bar twice].

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Egypt's 95th minute goal for a 2:0 win against Algeria leveled them absolutely equal in their qualifying group with Algeria by every of the 6 existing FIFA criterias [points, goal difference, goal scored, etc] and so, instead of the unpopular coin-tossing practice to decide the group winner - a one-off match will be held on neutral grounds, in Sudan on the 18.11 between the two teams.

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If Egypt wins that game in Sudan I think Africa will be sending its best possible contingent to South Africa, something you couldn't say in 2006: Nigeria, Cameroon, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Egypt, South Africa.

One or more of those teams will make some noise.

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I somehow liked the completely unexpected WC 2006 Africa lineup with Togo and Angola. Nowadays Africa has about 10-12 teams that can compete on even terms with each other as well as the rest of the world. Since the early 2000s South Africa is certainly not one of them and with SA being seeded in the A pot as hosts I can even imagine teams like North Korea or New Zealand progressing to the next stage.

To tell you the truth - unlike the Egyptian, the Algerian squad and capabilities are a complete mystery to me. Really couldn't say anything whether they'd be a better pick for Africa than Egypt. Anyway, I think Egypt's ought to be disqualified after that dreadful stoning of Algerian players on their way to the Cairo match. To have that kind of unwarranted stress a day before the decisive game is certainly not fair-play and therefore should be punished.

btw, Cameroon isn't what it used to be in 2006 and also Nigeria had an awful amount of luck qualifying considering the fact that they play horrid. I'd look at Ivory Coast and Ghana for eventual surprises.

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Try this Jacques, lots of phun: http://www.jeu-de-main.com/ :)

For me, there was one surprising score in the UEFA playoffs and that's Bosnia not qualifying over Portugal. The Portugese called the shots in both games, Bosnia had no midfield, no ball possession whatsover and most importantly - almost no chances. The rest were, more or less, what I expected:

1) Slovenia through over Russia, but not because tradition+mentality+luck reasons, but total field domination and complete game control. It's really not an overstatement saying that it could have been 3:0.
2) Greece through over Ukraine. Ukrainians had 2 matches against the weakest team in the playoffs to score a goal - nada, zilch, kill yr selves.
3) France through, although the Irish had them in their clutches.

Also, Algeria had beaten Egypt 1:0 in the additional match in Sudan and thus qualified.

The WC groups will be known on 4th of December.

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tottenham 9 - wigan 1! defoe scored 5 in the second half alone. and lennon looked incredible. bodes well for england -- which means, of course, they'll go out in the quarter finals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHggxQ1TP7A

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Group A
South Africa
Mexico
Uruguay
France

Group B
Argentina
Nigeria
South Korea
Greece

Group C
England
United States
Algeria
Slovenia

Group D
Germany
Australia
Serbia
Ghana

Group E
Netherlands
Denmark
Japan
Cameroon

Group F
Italy
Paraguay
New Zealand
Slovakia

Group G
Brazil
North Korea
Ivory Coast
Portugal

Group H
Spain
Switzerland
Honduras
Chile

Group G is supposedly the Group of Annihilation, Destruction, Eradication, Expiration, Extermination, Extinction, Mortality, Obliteration, and Termination.

or so I hear. Ole.

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Yeah, group of death doesn't really mean much here. It all seems pretty decently balanced, except H and maybe B.

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I was thinking Group G looked rather tough between Brazil, Ivory Coast, and Portugal.

Whoops...I missed the end of the previous post. So that was my first take as well.

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US has a great chance, what a gift

Germany's group not as easy as it appears

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Group A - IMO, great to have France there - the balance of power in every WC group means that we will see only quality teams in the quarterfinals this time. Uruguay and Mexico battle for 2nd.
Group B - Terrible Argentina, unconvincing Nigeria, amazing South Korea, inconsistent Greece with flashes of brilliance.. Yikes. Really don't know what to think at this point.
Group C - England confidently on top, but I don't see US getting pass Slovenia (although the fact is US are a mild favourite to progress).
Group D - Fair and balanced group. If everybody stays healthy and in form, Serbia could well see the 2nd round of the competition behind Germany.
Group E - Not exactly a group of death, but we have three fairly evened match-ups (NL-DK-CM) in which things could easily go either way plus a kingmaker (Japan), if not a potential shocker.
Group F - Italians can sleep over the first two games and then solve everything in the third, as they always do.
Group G - If I remember the definition well, a group of death is a group where any team can shock any other. And by contrast, things are here almost crystal-clear: Brazil - top, North Korea - bottom.
Group H - Don't know. I somehow don't see the Spanish team consistent and convincing enough just to cruise pass this group. I predict hell.