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bedouin
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What's in the score?

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Yii wrote:Image
(Loosely speaking), according to E. Tufte, a well written graphical representation should:

1 - Above all else show the data.
2 - Maximize the data-ink ratio.

The score above is a non-entity as it fails on both: (a) There is little information about the music and (b) there is excessive duplication of the words "rest" and "perform" - i.e. a lot of ink.

Maybe this is a better one:
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Mendota Stoppages from Polwechsel 3
It gets better if you look at it for 15 minutes and follow the track.

To me this looks like an intriguing secret script. I'm not a musician, so I would be interested to read comments (or other examples) on how suggestive this score is.

(there is a better version of this score here: http://www.polwechsel.com/pdf/score_mendota_001.pdf)

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Both are very suggestive.
But I have a very poor german.
classically trained

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man I love Tufte's work but he'd be horrified by this epic misapplication of it.
"Please everybody, if we haven't done what we could have done, we've tried"

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bedouin wrote:
Yii wrote:Image
(Loosely speaking), according to E. Tufte, a well written graphical representation should:

1 - Above all else show the data.
2 - Maximize the data-ink ratio.

The score above is a non-entity as it fails on both: (a) There is little information about the music and (b) there is excessive duplication of the words "rest" and "perform" - i.e. a lot of ink.
Just to point out the Naoshima's composition is no a graphic score.

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gohleekwang wrote:Just to point out the Naoshima's composition is no a graphic score.
I wouldn't call it a score at all. I see a verbal playing instruction there.

I don't know where I'd put a line between "score" and "verbal playing instruction".

Still I wouldn't call "Objective 5/4" a score.
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J.F. wrote:
gohleekwang wrote:Just to point out the Naoshima's composition is no a graphic score.
I wouldn't call it a score at all. I see a verbal playing instruction there.

I don't know where I'd put a line between "score" and "verbal playing instruction".

Still I wouldn't call "Objective 5/4" a score.
exactly.

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hatta wrote:man I love Tufte's work but he'd be horrified by this epic misapplication of it.
Well I did say (loosely speaking) ;)
Anyway a great part of Tufte's work is about displaying complex information (data, instructions, etc) in a graphical form. "Mendota Stoppages" (above) does just that. But maybe you don't see it as such.
To me it's intriguing, but what does a blue square box mean just right after a straight line and a few dots?

I'm fascinated with the "score" itself as an art work.

Any other samples out there?

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bedouin wrote:I'm fascinated with the "score" itself as an art work.

Any other samples out there?
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Earle Brown, December 1952

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J.F. wrote:Still I wouldn't call "Objective 5/4" a score.
I wouldn't call it "Objective 5/4"
You, of all people, should understand

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bedouin wrote:I'm fascinated with the "score" itself as an art work.

Any other samples out there?
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from Makrokosmos I (George Crumb, 1972)

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bedouin wrote:I'm fascinated with the "score" itself as an art work.

Any other samples out there?
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Yang chants with Tibetan Yang-Yig graphic music notations (Tibet, 19th century)

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bedouin wrote:I'm fascinated with the "score" itself as an art work.

Any other samples out there?
And still on the same subject a nice entry on WFMU's Beware of the Blog...

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i think there's a score thread in IHMM. i'l have a look for it.

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