Scores

faster · Post by **faster** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:02 am

Here are a couple scores I scanned. I'll try to get a few more up when I find them.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasbliutto ... 377840072/" onclick= "window.open(this.href);return false;

(Otomo Yoshihide for the ONJO, 2005)

user_4290 · Post by **user_4290** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:39 am

Thanks for this

RFKorp · Post by **RFKorp** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:45 am

Joe, thanks for sharing these. The ONJO scores are a little hard for me to process away from a piano but I'm greatly enjoying reading over the Unami ones. The whole system of optional sounds and events determined entirely proportionally to other musician-determined events is really elegantly done.

AlbionMoonlight · Post by **AlbionMoonlight** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:31 am

Thanks for posting these Joe. Nice to see this kind of material--it casts a new light upon the music when listening to it. I like Otomo's simple hand signals and how the command "Any Noise" was scratched out to say "Noise". Interesting scores, thanks again.

hatta · Post by **hatta** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:58 pm

Yeah thanks Joe, I recall when you were talking about those Unami scores - cool to see them in the flesh.

niwi · Post by **niwi** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 3:05 pm

so cool, thank you

faster · Post by **faster** » Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:47 pm

Added a Taku Sugimoto score. We performed it at Loop Gallery and then recorded it a couple days later at Art Center Nabi, Seoul:

user_257 · Post by **user_257** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:25 am

these are great -- thanks for posting them, and please post more!

to digress slightly, i had my first chance to see an actual copy of cardew's treatise this weekend, at a show of visual scores at the miguel abreu gallery in nyc. from a purely visual perspective it's an incredible document. raises some interesting ideas about connections to conceptual art of the 60s/70s -- the primacy of the "idea" over the object works in somewhat the some way for a visual score, which seems to function like a master template -- which then raises interesting questions about the relationship between the performer, the performance, and the "master", the visual score itself.

not sure i really have much of substance to say about any of that, but it certainly got my neurotransmitters working. anyone know of any books out there about visual scores? i'd be curious to learn more.

hatta · Post by **hatta** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:22 pm

Thanks again Joe, another interesting entry. For another group of graphical scores on Flickr, check out Jukka-Pekka Kervinen. He has a bunch of his own scores plus a nice selection of historical scores up. A sample:

One of Jukka-Pekka Kervinen's

Rose Moon by Pauline Oliveros

fearandpanic · Post by **fearandpanic** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:14 pm

I'm looking closely at the Sugimoto score and trying to figure out why it's written on musical manuscript paper; are the "very short sound" points placed on the staves with any significance? Seems unlikely since (unlike the Otomo example) there are no clefs, and there's none of the poetic imagination of Treatise in evidence (same goes for Malfatti.)

The sole relic of standard notation is the conceptual pause mark (above the fin) that Malfatti also seems to have retained in his written instructions, as if to say: this is the only command left from the tradition of composed music that doens't jar on their "aesthetic." Perhaps later, more ambitious compositions could begin reinstating trills, turns, pitches, dynamics (other than the dogmatic ppp) grace notes, and other decadent trifles.

jon abbey · Post by **jon abbey** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:13 pm

no reason to put "aesthetic" in quotes, that's way too condescending, no matter whether you like what they do or not.

fearandpanic · Post by **fearandpanic** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:16 pm

Well, I wanted to imply that there was something second-hand and cardboard cut-out about it.

user_4713 · Post by **user_4713** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:31 pm

I was just at Northwestern University for five weeks and I got to go to the music library a lot, and I was able to see so many rad scores (mostly piano.) Ligeti etudes, Cardew, Xenakis - Evryali, Nancarrow player piano studies, George Crumb's Makrokosmos... so much cool shit. A bitch to attempt sightreading, though.

faster · Post by **faster** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:54 pm

fearandpanic wrote:I'm looking closely at the Sugimoto score and trying to figure out why it's written on musical manuscript paper; are the "very short sound" points placed on the staves with any significance?

You're right. The staves are irrelevant. His instructions were that the "very short sounds" were to be very quiet and very dull - in fact, when we recorded the piece we were instructed not to use instruments, and he demonstrated what he wanted by tapping a paper cup on the floor. The recording actually sounds good, surprisingly. In performance, though, I almost fell asleep, and quite a number of audients left.

flies · Post by **flies** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:05 pm

What difference would it be if it had been written on graph paper, or a legal pad, or a napkin?

The measures on the paper correspond to sections in the music; that seems reason enough, so i'm wondering why you're wondering?

faster · Post by **faster** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:06 pm

flies wrote:What difference would it be if it had been written on graph paper, or a legal pad, or a napkin?

The measures on the paper correspond to sections in the music; that seems reason enough, so i'm wondering why you're wondering?

Actually, flies, that was one of the first things people asked when they got the score from Taku.

maRi · Post by **maRi** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:09 pm

fire-music by carl bergstr?m-nielsen

you can hear a performance of it by ist on ghost notes.

faster · Post by **faster** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:02 am

This link isn't working for me. I get a blank white page with the URL on it.

EDIT: nevermind, just paste the URL and it works. The link, however, doesn't. Thanks grisha.

maRi · Post by **maRi** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:54 am

try http://www20.brinkster.com/improarchive/cfw_fire.htm" onclick= "window.open(this.href);return false;

flies · Post by **flies** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:28 am

Faster wrote:Actually, flies, that was one of the first things people asked when they got the score from Taku.

okay, other people agree that it makes a difference. I still am not sure why.