jon abbey wrote:I can definitely recommend the book it's based on by Charles Willeford, one of the best non-Jim Thompson noir books.
Hell yes....Willeford's best book in my opinion...
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jon abbey wrote:I can definitely recommend the book it's based on by Charles Willeford, one of the best non-Jim Thompson noir books.

I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying about Zizek's criticism here. I like Zizek, but I thought his criticism of Das Leben der Anderen was completely pointless and tendentious. It's fiction for Christ's sake, it doesn't have to play out in a certain way. Maybe we're taking him too seriously though, in this case? He certainly has a history of analysing films in a tongue in cheek way (cf. In Defense of Lost Causes).Dan Warburton wrote:I don't think it nails very much at all. I like what Žižek had to say about Children of Men on the DVD bonus, but I find this review pretty lite.Nicely put (but replace "under a hard Communist regime" with "as a visiting star professor at NYU" and "Dreyman" with "Žižek", and it seems to make sense too), but we are talking about a film here, not a documentary. It's perfectly possible to make a film that depicts life in a particular place and time very honestly while being peopled with characters who are either larger than life or even two-dimensional - think of the yuppies in Mike Leigh films. And I think Žižek's reading too much in with his idea of a "secret homosexual undercurrent" - the impression I have is that Wiesler is more affected by the Brecht book and the music he overhears than by Dreyman himself.Slavoj Žižek wrote:One cannot but recall here a witty formula of life under a hard Communist regime: Of the three features–personal honesty, sincere support of the regime and intelligence–it was possible to combine only two, never all three. If one was honest and supportive, one was not very bright; if one was bright and supportive, one was not honest; if one was honest and bright, one was not supportive. The problem with Dreyman is that he does combine all three features.
Anyway, as regards the script, the acting, the cinematography and the music (and I'm not the world's biggest Gabriel Yared fan), I thought it was a fine piece of work. If you really want to "throw up in your mouth" try The Reader (see several pages back).
Wow. He is dead serious. He's trying to explain why that was a political movie whose contents would be distasteful to those with leftist leanings. For an international audience, he's partly simplifying things in a manner I wouldn't subscribe to, but I appreciate the attempt, futile as it is. To a German audience with any political interest the agenda of the film has been glaringly obvious (hey, it figured in a Pollesch drama).savantgarde wrote:I like Zizek, but I thought his criticism of Das Leben der Anderen was completely pointless and tendentious. It's fiction for Christ's sake, it doesn't have to play out in a certain way. Maybe we're taking him too seriously though, in this case?
Would or might? I consider myself to have "leftist leanings" (not that there's much left left in the world to lean towards these days) and I didn't find the film distasteful at all.Wombatz wrote:He's trying to explain why that was a political movie whose contents would be distasteful to those with leftist leanings.
I haven't seen The Tourist, and don't particularly want to. Nor does my DVD have the bonus docu you mention. But perhaps you could expand on that "Hollywood aesthetics" bit. Do I detect a faint whiff of pro-auteur snobbery here? Maybe after all young Florian was just following the money, which is what his family has been doing very well for centuries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henckel_von_DonnersmarckWombatz wrote:Aesthetically the film is a perfectly made calling card that would allow the director to make shitty Hollywood movies (I won't go into the politics of that, but to subscribe to Hollywood aesthetics in the land of Autorenfilm is again a very real cultural political choice); and what to an international audience might seem fascinating issues is heavy propaganda (especially about the morals of having had any contact with the Stasi at all, see the allegations on the dvd commentary track about leftist politician Gregor Gysi).







Rather mean and childish young women actually. I remember someone saying that there was some kind of Big Brother feeling in Du Côté D'Orouët, a vision that was both voyeuristic and sadistic. I couldn't agree more.Dan Warburton wrote:Jacques Rozier, Du côté d'Orouët, 1973
A delight, assuming that is you're a Rivette / Rohmer fan and don't mind spending over two and a half hours watching three giggling girls on summer holiday in the tacky seaside resort of St Gilles Croix de Vie on the Vendée coast. So light, yet so deep - the shift from lighthearted chitchat to melancholy and tension is so masterfully handled you don't even notice it. The dialogue feels improvised but I suspect it isn't. As with Adieu Philippine, our man Ed Howard has already been here before and written a fine piece here http://seul-le-cinema.blogspot.com/2011 ... dorou.html
Alors, Ed, have you seen Les naufragés de l'île de la Tortue yet? That's the next one in the box!

Yes, it gets curiously disturbing as it progresses, doesn't it? The grainy 16mm film and the ever-present sound of waves breaking add to the effect.Lao Tsu Ben wrote:Rather mean and childish young women actually. I remember someone saying that there was some kind of Big Brother feeling in Du Côté D'Orouët, a vision that was both voyeuristic and sadistic. I couldn't agree more.Dan Warburton wrote:Jacques Rozier, Du côté d'Orouët, 1973
A delight, assuming that is you're a Rivette / Rohmer fan and don't mind spending over two and a half hours watching three giggling girls on summer holiday in the tacky seaside resort of St Gilles Croix de Vie on the Vendée coast. So light, yet so deep - the shift from lighthearted chitchat to melancholy and tension is so masterfully handled you don't even notice it. The dialogue feels improvised but I suspect it isn't. As with Adieu Philippine, our man Ed Howard has already been here before and written a fine piece here http://seul-le-cinema.blogspot.com/2011 ... dorou.html
Alors, Ed, have you seen Les naufragés de l'île de la Tortue yet? That's the next one in the box!