NFL 2014

[walto]

Am I wrong or does Smith drop back 5-10 yards farther than most QBs when he wants to throw? Tough to start all the pass plays so far back from scrimmage, I'd think. He also had a couple of last second flips when he was in trouble that might have been intercepted.

OTOH, Ivory was terrific.

[jon abbey]

he played pretty well, I thought (for him). his main issue is pocket awareness and when there ia a guy behind him. the difference between him and Brady there is staggering.

[Mo Noyz]

Am I wrong or does Smith drop back 5-10 yards farther than most QBs when he wants to throw? Tough to start all the pass plays so far back from scrimmage, I'd think. He also had a couple of last second flips when he was in trouble that might have been intercepted.

OTOH, Ivory was terrific.

I personally think Ivory, Cumberland, and Kerley are much better than most people think. Ivory was excellent with the Saints, but no individual RB is going to gain any attention playing for the Saints. Whenever he did get an opportunity, he looked really impressive.

[jon abbey]

yeah, they're all fine, especially Ivory. if you threw a genuine #1 WR in there in front of Decker and Kerley, you'd really have something.

[Mo Noyz]

Absolutely.

[jon abbey]

whoa, Percy Harvin to the Jets, I need to read more about this...

[Harold Baines]

Shocka. There has to be back story.

[Captain Hate]

Brainless Edwards v2.0

Glazer wrote that he'd worn out his welcome in Seattle but thinks Rex might be able to work with him. The deal itself doesn't make much sense otherwise from either team's perspective.

[jon abbey]

he evidently has a long history of being hard to deal with, but so do seemingly 3/4 of the star WRs in the league.

to me the big question is can he function like a normal WR deep threat, SEA seemed to get him the ball behind the line or just a few yards downfield most of the time, NY needs him to be a genuine #1 WR, stretching the defense, as discussed earlier today. they're obviously not making the playoffs this year, but they'll have nine games to see how he fits in before having to make an offseason decision on him.

[The G Man]

Vikings GM Rick Spielman got a #1,3,7 for Harvin before last season. That looks pretty sweet now!
He will have to renegotiate his contract not to be cut by the Jets after the season. Nothing's guaranteed after this season.

The Jets had the NFL's second-lowest payroll this year and lowest total cash commitment for 2015 of any team, according to NFL Players Association records.


Chip Kelly took time after the Eagles shut out the Giants to visit Victor Cruz in the hospital. Very classy.

[The G Man]

he evidently has a long history of being hard to deal with, but so do seemingly 3/4 of the star WRs in the league.

to me the big question is can he function like a normal WR deep threat, SEA seemed to get him the ball behind the line or just a few yards downfield most of the time, NY needs him to be a genuine #1 WR, stretching the defense, as discussed earlier today. they're obviously not making the playoffs this year, but they'll have nine games to see how he fits in before having to make an offseason decision on him.

Harvin was 16-43, 37% on long balls (20+ yards in the air) in four seasons as a Viking but for some reason he was never targeted on a long ball as a Seahawk and only caught three passes (out of seven) thrown 10-19 yards in the air with Seattle. 44% of Russell Wilson passes to Harvin were thrown behind the line of scrimmage.

[The G Man]

yeah, they're all fine, especially Ivory. if you threw a genuine #1 WR in there in front of Decker and Kerley, you'd really have something.

Just read that over half (55/107) of Ivory's yards against NE were after contact. That's impressive!

Follow-up: Ivory led the league last year and is leading the league this year in yard after contact/carry. AP was second last year and Ray Rice was last.

[Captain Hate]

Vikings GM Rick Spielman got a #1,3,7 for Harvin before last season. That looks pretty sweet now!

I'm not sure what the Squawks thought they were getting to give up that much but with the way they used him he was most valuable as a kick returner.

Chip Kelly took time after the Eagles shut out the Giants to visit Victor Cruz in the hospital. Very classy.

Very smart too, to create a favorable impression in case he becomes a free agent or, even if that doesn't happen, in case somebody else asks Cruz about the possibility of playing for Kelly.

[walto]

yeah, they're all fine, especially Ivory. if you threw a genuine #1 WR in there in front of Decker and Kerley, you'd really have something.

Just read that over half (55/107) of Ivory's yards against NE were after contact. That's impressive!

Follow-up: Ivory led the league last year and is leading the league this year in yard after contact/carry. AP was second last year and Ray Rice was last.

He was fucking relentless in the Pats game. Loved watching him break tackles--looked like Jimmy Brown.

[Mo Noyz]

he evidently has a long history of being hard to deal with, but so do seemingly 3/4 of the star WRs in the league.

to me the big question is can he function like a normal WR deep threat, SEA seemed to get him the ball behind the line or just a few yards downfield most of the time, NY needs him to be a genuine #1 WR, stretching the defense, as discussed earlier today. they're obviously not making the playoffs this year, but they'll have nine games to see how he fits in before having to make an offseason decision on him.

Harvin is a breakaway threat, but doesn't have the discipline or route running capabilities to be a true number one. Not from anything I've ever seen from him anyway. The main reason they try to get him the ball behind, or at, the LOS is because he has a hard time getting open against most corners.

And Greg Jennings taking the number one CB out of the equation in Minnesota played a large role in his success there.

I suppose he's worth a flyer, but the only difference I see for the Jets now is that they now have three has been breakaway threats on their team that will do next to nothing.

[The G Man]

The Jets reportedly owe either a #2, 3, or 4 depending on Harvin's production. If he plays great, the Jets still miss the playoffs, give up a #2 and have to either cut him or get him to agree to a much cheaper deal.

[Mo Noyz]

It's a head scratcher, to be sure.

[The G Man]

If the Seahawks had either traded Harvin in the off-season or never traded for him in the first place, they could have kept Golden Tate.

[jon abbey]

If the Seahawks had either traded Harvin in the off-season or never traded for him in the first place, they could have kept Golden Tate.

can someone explain to me how the hell Harvin can give Tate a black eye during Super Bowl week, with hundreds of alleged reporters covering the game, and we don't hear about it until now?

[The G Man]

The Jets reportedly owe either a #2, 3, or 4 depending on Harvin's production. If he plays great, the Jets still miss the playoffs, give up a #2 and have to either cut him or get him to agree to a much cheaper deal.

The updated reports peg the pick between #4 and #6. That makes the the trade somewhat reasonable from the Jets POV.