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For the record, I don't hate the Patriots at all. And I'm a huge Edelman fan. Though that stems from his annual stint on my fantasy football team.

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Mo Noyz wrote:For the record, I don't hate the Patriots at all. And I'm a huge Edelman fan. Though that stems from his annual stint on my fantasy football team.
well Scott, I guess I'm talking about the ol' crotchety Cleveland guy and the grumpy New Englander who hates all his home teams with a venom :mrgreen:

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Since my passion for football has waned somewhat, my hatred has evolved into general distaste.

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Steve Reynolds wrote:
Mo Noyz wrote:For the record, I don't hate the Patriots at all. And I'm a huge Edelman fan. Though that stems from his annual stint on my fantasy football team.
well Scott, I guess I'm talking about the ol' crotchety Cleveland guy and the grumpy New Englander who hates all his home teams with a venom :mrgreen:
Hey Preach! Hope you're well!

There are others--you forgot Jon. The three local musketeers of the anti-Patriot nation.

Btw, I hope Edelmann plays QB too. Maybe
he can find some young nur :? ses to grope at Mass. General.
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Harold Baines wrote:Since my passion for football has waned somewhat, my hatred has evolved into general distaste.
You are definitely not alone.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ship-down/

And I would love to see the ratings continue to drop, although they'll eventually plateau. Either way, it's an indictment of what Cappz often refers to as a well run league, in his opinion.

Indeed it is.

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Reynolds, you know I love you, but show up some time when your team's not undefeated.

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The way the Josh Gordon situation has been handled is imo a complete indictment of the league. First of all, I'm not excusing his actions one iota; he is ultimately responsible for squandering an incredible skill set. That said, Goodellspeak effectively prevents the team from having any contact with him during a time when, if he's as troubled as evidence has indicated, his behavior needs to be monitored. I think agents have a vested interest in this while knowing full well that if they try to do something to keep their client going off the rails, there's a good chance the client will tell them to fuck off and fire them and hire somebody more hands off. But maybe it's time for the league to hold the agents responsible for what their numbnuts clients do and see what happens. Or try to work hand in hand with the players association. Because what's in place right now didn't work so well.

I almost threw up when I heard about Gordon missing a court summons about a paternity hearing that Jim Brown, Mr Sensitivity regarding women's issues, had been assigned to monitor his activity. What could go wrong?

I have no patience with people who point out that the owners love Goodellspeak because he brings in so much revenue. My point is that there could be more revenue from a well run league. I think a huge opportunity is squandered every day he remains in place. It may be that the numbnuts owners are quite happy to have their own little jerkoff small circle of stupidity; if so fuck them when it all comes crashing down.
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Here's how to track the ratings over the season.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/nfl-tv- ... -playoffs/

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Wow, those numbers are horrendous. Although, I read elsewhere that millions were streaming games on Twitter which could also account for those low numbers.

Cappz, why do you have no patience for people that say the owners love Gooellspeak because he shovels huge piles of cash into their troughs everyday? It's true.

As for a well run league bringing in even mre money, you're probably right but many of the factors involved in the slightly diminished dominance of the NFL don't have much, if anything, to do with Goodellspeak. For example:

- The fluid idocy of the NFL rulebook that the competition committee tweaks and tweaks into an illogical mess.

- A completely broken replay system

- The popularity of fantasy football which leads many to watch Red Zone rather than watch a game.

- And although I haven't seen attendance figures for the season, the fact that watching a game at home on some enormous tv with surround sound, to some, is an even better experience than going to a game. It sure as fuck costs less money.

Lastly, I definately do not agree with your opinion that agents should be held to account for their clients. That's the same as holding parents accountable when their kids get in trouble. Florida even once proposed fining parents if their kids got into legal trouble. That bullshit went down in the flaming heap that it rightfully should have.

That's not to say I have a viable alternative, just that it is a bad idea. It simply would not be possible for an agent to police a troubled player to the degree needed to keep them from fucking up. If immediate family members can't do it, then agents would have no chance at all.

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I think the league and players association should work together to rank agents to give players an idea of what they're getting into. Some of these players come from a situation of having no money and are open to the most outlandish sales pitches imaginable. If set up correctly, some of the players should never have to work at anything after their playing careers are over, unless there's a part of them which has always wanted to do something else.

For a league which is incredibly sensitive about its image, having a bunch of dead broke former players is not a good look. Ranking agents based on the long term financial viability of their clients, among other things agreed to by the players association, would not be a bad thing imo. It wouldn't be an absolute thing; players would still be free to choose anybody they want including family members. But they couldn't claim to have been blind sided by some shark if everything turns to shit.
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Yeah, but that makes it sound like you're shifting all the blame to the agents for fleecing their clients. Most broke athletes who have talked about why they are broke spoke almost exclusively of bad decisions on their part.

Unfortunately, agents aren't financial advisors.

When I worked with Kenny Gant at a warehouse in Lakeland, Florida I asked him why he was working there. I figured maybe he blew through what little money he made with the Cowboys and Bucs as a special teamer, and needed a steady income. But, he told me he invested wisely and didn't need the money, he just did it because he got bored after he retired and wanted something to do to keep him busy and in shape.

Now, if he could do it on the relative chicken feed he made, I think any player could. So I'm not sure that getting them more money will stop them from going broke. They either spend and invest wisely, or they don't. The starting amount shouldn't drastically change the equation.

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Chuck Pagano continues to show what an awful headcoach he is.

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Very satisfying Pats game. And Belichik's press conference was classic. So obno.
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walto wrote:Very satisfying Pats game. First time they've ever been shutout at Gillette. And Belichik's press conference was classic. So obno.
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Btw, was that Flutie with Tirico doing the call at Wembley this morning? Whoever it was did a really nice job.
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I watched no football today, just Ryder Cup. The latter was pretty exciting.

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Saw two really well played, and at times poorly coached games today. Lots of stout defense. Wynton and I were both quite pleased with today's games.

Rams, Raiders, and Cowboys all at 3-1 is somewhat surreal.

And stick a fork in the Cardinals. What a disaster...

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Hahaha... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've always known PFF was a bit of a joke, but Marcus Peters ranked the 6th best corner in the league?!?!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Mo Noyz wrote:Hahaha... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've always known PFF was a bit of a joke, but Marcus Peters ranked the 6th best corner in the league?!?!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You are shocked that rankings after three games don't reflect true talent ( he only played 11 snaps in week four)?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Last year he was the 40th highest ranked or thereabouts.

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Really?

Seems as though they thought pretty highly of him last year as well.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ma ... he-season/

I'm convinced PFF is lined with math nerds who know only a modest amount when it comes to football.

Oh, and this is week four. And Peters has played (212) pretty much every defensive snap so far this season. He has not been the sixth best corner in football, or even close to it. Their stats are obviously weighted heavily on interceptions. And all four of his this season were on horrible throws that were no where near being catchable for the receiver.

I haven't missed a single play of Peters, and he is by far one of the most inconsistent players I've ever seen.

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