Stockhausen's 'Aus den Sieben Tagen'

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Has anybody listen to Johannes Fritsch's work as a composer?
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yonhosago wrote:Has anybody listen to Johannes Fritsch's work as a composer?
I'm having 2 or 3 sampler-CDs from the feedback studio in Cologne, and those include some Frisch works. I don't remember those, but I didn't particularly like them. I'll be able to specify tomorrow.
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anwandter wrote:...a little bit off thread as well, but there is an EMI recording including Spiral and Pole (as well as Wach, Japan, Zyklus, Tierkreis, and In Freudschaft). Quite cheap. Anyone knows if these are the same recordings included in Stockhausen Verlag Nr. 15?
I haven't heard the Verlag recordings, but according to Bernard Pulham's discography, they are not the same as the EMI set. The Verlag recordings were done at WDR in March 1971, and the EMI recordings were at Abbey Road in December 1971.

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yonhosago wrote:Has anybody listen to Johannes Fritsch's work as a composer?
There's about 1 hour of Fritsch-music spread over various sampler CDs/LPs in my collection.

Modulation l (for piano quintet) and Akroasis (for orchestra) are both from the 60s, and I assume they are just the kind of (post-serial?) stuff composers from that generation with connections to Darmstadt and the Köln-scene wrote in those days.
http://www.avantgardeproject.org/agp95/ ... ion_I.flac

Then there's Violectra, Hochtöner and Trio from the 70s, all present in excerpts on the mentioned Feedback-samplers. That's all acoustic instruments paired with electronic devices (synth, tape, live-electronics).
From the 90s there's Nachthelle (for quartet). I have no clue anymore about that one.

I listened to all of these only once, finding them all okay, with a slight preference for the all-acoustic ensemble-works.

I'm aware this reply might not be particularly helpful about anything, but... I had to listen to the stuff again to be more precise, which I don't have time for currently.
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Goldstaub (from "Aus den sieben Tagen") has been performed at the audio poverty festival/conference (http://audiopoverty.de/) in Berlin on February 7th, 2009.

As a preparation the piece requires from the musicians basically not to eat and talk for four days before the performance and so the performers went in a kind of monastery a bit outside of Berlin before to hide from the everyday influences.

The involved musicians were:
Werner Dafeldecker (Berlin) | doublebass
Kai Fagaschinski (Berlin) | clarinet
Barbara Romen (Innsbruck) | Hackbrett
Eva Reiter (Vienna) | Viola da Gamba & contrabass recorder
Manon-Liu Winter (Vienna) | piano

There is a recording of the complete performance (35 min) to be found here (scroll down till 'hunger'):
http://audiopoverty.de/?page_id=840

It was a nicely composed concert evening with Goldstaub as the opening set, follow by a set of the great Josephine Foster and finally a big blast from Hair Police. All of these sets can by heard there in a decent quality.

Enjoy the listening!

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I'd be curious to hear how you prepared for that performance - did you follow the instructions to the letter?
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kylie fagischefsky wrote:Goldstaub (from "Aus den sieben Tagen") has been performed at the audio poverty festival/conference (http://audiopoverty.de/) in Berlin on February 7th, 2009.

As a preparation the piece requires from the musicians basically not to eat and talk for four days before the performance and so the performers went in a kind of monastery a bit outside of Berlin before to hide from the everyday influences.

The involved musicians were:
Werner Dafeldecker (Berlin) | doublebass
Kai Fagaschinski (Berlin) | clarinet
Barbara Romen (Innsbruck) | Hackbrett
Eva Reiter (Vienna) | Viola da Gamba & contrabass recorder
Manon-Liu Winter (Vienna) | piano

There is a recording of the complete performance (35 min) to be found here (scroll down till 'hunger'):
http://audiopoverty.de/?page_id=840
I've listened to this twice now and enjoyed it a lot. Thanks for posting it, Kai.
It sounds remarkably - almost disappointingly - cohesive and coherent considering the musicians had been starving in solitary confinement for four days. Well worth a listen IMO.

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Dan Warburton wrote:I'd be curious to hear how you prepared for that performance - did you follow the instructions to the letter?
Not totally, but quite a bit. During our four days retreat we met twice a day for having a little broth together and had a minimum bit of survival talk (about mood, hunger, stomach, shitting, etc.), because most of the involved had no fasting experiences. Except of this we stayed alone and in silence for the rest of days and we didn't ate anything of course. Didn't followed the instruction too much that one "should sleep/move/think as less as possible" - too esoteric for my cup of tea. Me I slept quite much out of feeling bored, allowed myself even to read a book and took walks in the beautiful forest which was surrounding the monastery. Also we did not take the advice of "playing only single notes without thinking" too literally. I guess we stayed by our personal languages, but surely the four days "preparation" set the mood.

The context of the concert was a conference about music and poverty and the organisers choose that piece, i guess, to have starving musicians on stage as a metapher for the festival's theme.

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simon reynell wrote:It sounds remarkably - almost disappointingly - cohesive and coherent considering the musicians had been starving in solitary confinement for four days. Well worth a listen IMO.
Out of curiosity I tried the hunger aspect of it before. I played a concert after 14 days of not eating. Actually one has usually more power and especially better ability to concentrate while fasting (with temporary exceptions of malfunctions). That concert turn out quite strong.

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kylie fagischefsky wrote:Out of curiosity I tried the hunger aspect of it before. I played a concert after 14 days of not eating.
Try 40 next time.. I've heard there's a position vacant for a messiah in Palestine :)
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A little off-topic, but eversince I first fasted, I have trouble not gaining weight (and my impression is that's not an uncommon bodily reaction to fasting, in the longer run).
Is it documented that musicians preparing/playing that number got more round and a little softer afterwards? (hehe)

Fasting without moving/training pretty soon affects the muscle tissue. That automatically introduces certain limits to the performance, alone on the strictly physical side of things (during a lazy fasting period, my drumming "chops" get ruined pretty fast).
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or let's even get a step further:
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simon reynell wrote:
kylie fagischefsky wrote:Goldstaub (from "Aus den sieben Tagen") has been performed at the audio poverty festival/conference (http://audiopoverty.de/) in Berlin on February 7th, 2009.

As a preparation the piece requires from the musicians basically not to eat and talk for four days before the performance and so the performers went in a kind of monastery a bit outside of Berlin before to hide from the everyday influences.

The involved musicians were:
Werner Dafeldecker (Berlin) | doublebass
Kai Fagaschinski (Berlin) | clarinet
Barbara Romen (Innsbruck) | Hackbrett
Eva Reiter (Vienna) | Viola da Gamba & contrabass recorder
Manon-Liu Winter (Vienna) | piano

There is a recording of the complete performance (35 min) to be found here (scroll down till 'hunger'):
http://audiopoverty.de/?page_id=840
I've listened to this twice now and enjoyed it a lot. Thanks for posting it, Kai.
It sounds remarkably - almost disappointingly - cohesive and coherent considering the musicians had been starving in solitary confinement for four days. Well worth a listen IMO.

I agree, very much.
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Dohol wrote:
simon reynell wrote:
kylie fagischefsky wrote:
I've listened to this twice now and enjoyed it a lot. Thanks for posting it, Kai.
It sounds remarkably - almost disappointingly - cohesive and coherent considering the musicians had been starving in solitary confinement for four days. Well worth a listen IMO.

I agree, very much.
And, to me, it somehow had that balance of strained tension and serenity that comes from starving.. When I starve, anyway.
Definitely had some extra quality beyond the sounds. And I don't think it's just because I knew the background, although I don't think I'd win an argument with someone saying otherwise (I'd start saying a word like 'metaphysical' and loose instantly).

Thanks for sharing

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J.F. wrote:
yonhosago wrote:Has anybody listen to Johannes Fritsch's work as a composer?
There's about 1 hour of Fritsch-music spread over various sampler CDs/LPs in my collection.

Modulation l (for piano quintet) and Akroasis (for orchestra) are both from the 60s, and I assume they are just the kind of (post-serial?) stuff composers from that generation with connections to Darmstadt and the Köln-scene wrote in those days.
http://www.avantgardeproject.org/agp95/ ... ion_I.flac
I've just listened to this three times in a row and it's excellent.
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