LOUTALLICA, the most hated record ever?
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I bought it, listened to it a bunch of times on a good system instead of the computer streams and it gets better and better with every listen. if you don't like Lou or don't like metal, it will not rock your boat.
don't think it is boring at all. some great riffs. mixing etc is a matter of taste as much as anything else, sounds good to these ears.
main thing with this record is that you need to love Lou and his attitude. if you don't, well...
don't think it is boring at all. some great riffs. mixing etc is a matter of taste as much as anything else, sounds good to these ears.
main thing with this record is that you need to love Lou and his attitude. if you don't, well...
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Review of Lulu for Volcanic Tongue
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The beauty of our times: this record is the most hated record ever and is not even out. Lou Reed and Metallica took a risk and Lulu is generating some of the most passionate and intelligent writing on the internet. For sure the cruelty of the reviews matches the cruelty of the record. Both seem to be an ethnographic study of our times. One of the reviewers said that Lou Reed and Metallica are amongst the most perverse musicians around. Why do people get surprised when they get the ultimate perverse record? So perverse that you cannot take it? There is a famous saying in downtown New York which goes:
if you are a Lou Reed fan you must be ready to go all the way. Yes, he is going to take you to places that you have never dreamed of, even in your worst nightmares. If you are a Lou Reed fan you go through shit, shit records, shit playing, shit covers, shit lyrics... He takes you psychologically to the wild side even if you might be comfortably playing the record in your cosy home with a cup of tea. He is going to make you reconsider your values of judgement to the core and beyond. Once you go through this then you might agree with Lou when he says about Lulu: "This thing is the best thing ever done by anybody". And he insists in an interview that he is not being egotistical. I am a Lou Reed fan and I believe him. When Lou does something he puts himself into it 100% and as we know this is too much for the majority of human beings, from his solo on “I Heard Her Call My Name” that made him the best guitarist ever by bridging feedback noise rock with a Coleman free jazz sensitivity to Metal Machine Music where the guitar did not even need a guitarist (artistic de-subjectification probably taken from Warhol's filmmaking: he didn't need to be behind the camera). But here we get a blunt and confident Lou Reed happy to have a partner to rock with. And this is what Lou Reed and Metallica are becoming: Rock'n'roll animals in the perverted zoo of the internet. Yes, Lulu is about sex. It is a 69 between Lou Reed and Metallica. Lou's tongue is a chainsaw with rusted links (for infection and maximum durability). Metallica gets cut in two and will never recover. They say in interviews that now that they have discovered improvisation with Lou they will implement it on their 10th record. Who knows, maybe next year Metallica will play at the Konfrontatitonen festival? Lou has previously made amazing noise with the guitar but that has already made it into the proper canon of Noise (as an established genre of music). Now he uses his voice as a device for achieving unreified noise which still contains alienation. But this is not concrete poetry, somehow it sounds even seems more abstract, it is relentless, beautifully out of tune and it hurts. And then the lyrics: sniff your shit in the wind, coloured dick, the smell of your armpit, pathetic little dog... these sentences are snubs to any form of taste. Reed lyrics achieve a level of vulgarity so brilliant that it will probably beat the number of quotes that a single record can get on the internet. Yes, James, you are a table, where Lou can rest his fuckin' feet on. What Lulu produces is a radical equalisation: a teenage Metallica cover band are the backing group to a drunken 100 year old ranting about how viciously prostituted a prostitute was who he met when he was 14 while angels in furs play violins and the neighbourhood dudes in a basement are making noise while looking at amateur German porn which contains some scatological moments. In fact on this record you get the whole canon of interesting music: drone-wrong, Henry Choppedin, improv-thrash, heavyliterary-cockrock, contemporary classical Brainbombs, geriatric-metal... The headfuck continues with the gender politics: what could be more queer than a young feminist girl shouting for sexual liberation in the body of an old male Jew with cut legs and tits? (Whether this body has sperm or not is another question...)
Lulu is more Lou Reed than Lou Reed and that surely means that this is the best thing ever done by anybody.
Mattin 27 October 2011
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The beauty of our times: this record is the most hated record ever and is not even out. Lou Reed and Metallica took a risk and Lulu is generating some of the most passionate and intelligent writing on the internet. For sure the cruelty of the reviews matches the cruelty of the record. Both seem to be an ethnographic study of our times. One of the reviewers said that Lou Reed and Metallica are amongst the most perverse musicians around. Why do people get surprised when they get the ultimate perverse record? So perverse that you cannot take it? There is a famous saying in downtown New York which goes:
if you are a Lou Reed fan you must be ready to go all the way. Yes, he is going to take you to places that you have never dreamed of, even in your worst nightmares. If you are a Lou Reed fan you go through shit, shit records, shit playing, shit covers, shit lyrics... He takes you psychologically to the wild side even if you might be comfortably playing the record in your cosy home with a cup of tea. He is going to make you reconsider your values of judgement to the core and beyond. Once you go through this then you might agree with Lou when he says about Lulu: "This thing is the best thing ever done by anybody". And he insists in an interview that he is not being egotistical. I am a Lou Reed fan and I believe him. When Lou does something he puts himself into it 100% and as we know this is too much for the majority of human beings, from his solo on “I Heard Her Call My Name” that made him the best guitarist ever by bridging feedback noise rock with a Coleman free jazz sensitivity to Metal Machine Music where the guitar did not even need a guitarist (artistic de-subjectification probably taken from Warhol's filmmaking: he didn't need to be behind the camera). But here we get a blunt and confident Lou Reed happy to have a partner to rock with. And this is what Lou Reed and Metallica are becoming: Rock'n'roll animals in the perverted zoo of the internet. Yes, Lulu is about sex. It is a 69 between Lou Reed and Metallica. Lou's tongue is a chainsaw with rusted links (for infection and maximum durability). Metallica gets cut in two and will never recover. They say in interviews that now that they have discovered improvisation with Lou they will implement it on their 10th record. Who knows, maybe next year Metallica will play at the Konfrontatitonen festival? Lou has previously made amazing noise with the guitar but that has already made it into the proper canon of Noise (as an established genre of music). Now he uses his voice as a device for achieving unreified noise which still contains alienation. But this is not concrete poetry, somehow it sounds even seems more abstract, it is relentless, beautifully out of tune and it hurts. And then the lyrics: sniff your shit in the wind, coloured dick, the smell of your armpit, pathetic little dog... these sentences are snubs to any form of taste. Reed lyrics achieve a level of vulgarity so brilliant that it will probably beat the number of quotes that a single record can get on the internet. Yes, James, you are a table, where Lou can rest his fuckin' feet on. What Lulu produces is a radical equalisation: a teenage Metallica cover band are the backing group to a drunken 100 year old ranting about how viciously prostituted a prostitute was who he met when he was 14 while angels in furs play violins and the neighbourhood dudes in a basement are making noise while looking at amateur German porn which contains some scatological moments. In fact on this record you get the whole canon of interesting music: drone-wrong, Henry Choppedin, improv-thrash, heavyliterary-cockrock, contemporary classical Brainbombs, geriatric-metal... The headfuck continues with the gender politics: what could be more queer than a young feminist girl shouting for sexual liberation in the body of an old male Jew with cut legs and tits? (Whether this body has sperm or not is another question...)
Lulu is more Lou Reed than Lou Reed and that surely means that this is the best thing ever done by anybody.
Mattin 27 October 2011
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Re: LOUTALLICA, the most hated record ever?
sorry for VU fans but Loaded was such a bore.
The Lulu track on youtube is embarrassing. If you want Lou Reed+Guitar riffs then check Lou Reed Live (Vicious, Jim, Sad Song etc.). I wouldn't spend much time on it now but, still, Dick Wagner/Steve Hunter were lightyears ahead of the metallica guitarist. No point discussing the drums part either. Never heard a single track of metallica before and from the bombastic review above it is not going to change now. Good for them to keep up the publicity though, I guess it may help making ends meet.
The Lulu track on youtube is embarrassing. If you want Lou Reed+Guitar riffs then check Lou Reed Live (Vicious, Jim, Sad Song etc.). I wouldn't spend much time on it now but, still, Dick Wagner/Steve Hunter were lightyears ahead of the metallica guitarist. No point discussing the drums part either. Never heard a single track of metallica before and from the bombastic review above it is not going to change now. Good for them to keep up the publicity though, I guess it may help making ends meet.
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bedouin wrote:sorry for VU fans but Loaded was such a bore.
Who cares about Loaded when the band has put out The VU & Nico and White Light/White Heat ?
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Sadly, Volcanic Tongue doesn't carry Metallica.
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Funnily enough, I find the Mattin review above curiously similar to the Faylor piece on Unami linked in the other thread - though both entertaining enough reads in themselves (even if some judicious editing wouldn't have gone amiss), I really can't see much connection to the music they're supposed to be reviewing. I guess that's what non-musicology must be.
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Re: LOUTALLICA, the most hated record ever?
All this MOST HATED talk and almost every comment here and elsewhere I've seen has been more or less "meh". Hardly Metal Machine Music...
You, of all people, should understand
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wagglin' like a dog prostitute coagulatin' hard
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pretty sure the actual saying is something like "why the hell are you still paying attention to that washed-up old fogie? he's about as revolutionary as Bang on a Can at this point."abjectmusic wrote:There is a famous saying in downtown New York which goes: if you are a Lou Reed fan you must be ready to go all the way.
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why aren't there "Like" buttons on this forum? much easier than quoting and adding LOL.
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Mattin's right this record is good!
Wait, what does "good" mean again?
Wait, what does "good" mean again?
It's a blues riff in B watch me for the changes
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via Joe Panzer, Loutallica playing White Light/White Heat on a talk show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSQAvA64 ... ture=share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSQAvA64 ... ture=share
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shit...Lou looks embalmed and the rest of the crew looks like a cartoon...
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we were at Alice Tully Hall for a performance of ... something I don't recall .... on the way I turn around and "GAH!" there's Lou.Dohol wrote:shit...Lou looks embalmed and the rest of the crew looks like a cartoon...
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Saw them on 'Later... with Jools Holland' BBC a couple of nights ago and how completely terrible that was. Then again I am nowhere near part of the demographic for either of the two, so doubling that would make this...
I don't know, do I... seems like such a waste of everyone's time tbh...
I don't know, do I... seems like such a waste of everyone's time tbh...
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Loutallica playing old Lou Reed/VU stuff indeed is terrible. Lulu really is different, should you base judgement on those.
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what is newsworthy about this album? how is this any different then what Mark E. Smith has been doing for 20 years (in a more miss than hit fashion i might add)?
The Fall has been playing this number for a year now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vzXs6jZbbM
i like it more then anything on LuLu.
The Fall has been playing this number for a year now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vzXs6jZbbM
i like it more then anything on LuLu.
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i'd much rather hear them playing "Fade To Black" or "Battery"!schiksalgemeinschaft wrote:Loutallica playing old Lou Reed/VU stuff indeed is terrible. Lulu really is different, should you base judgement on those.
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