kevin drumm

jkudler · Post by **jkudler** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:38 am

MRS wrote:The conclusion of that first part of Second is so strong.

can't remember that right now; i guess i'll give a listen when i get home tonight (oh man, not until after 11, fuck). someone remind me to put it up and post the link here.

by the way, my overall take on "second": drumm does bernhard gunter, to mixed results.

-j.

MRS · Post by **MRS** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:41 am

Interesting, I can kinda see that.

jkudler · Post by **jkudler** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:04 pm

sorry for the cross post. here's "second," with the lovely art intact:

http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1TK9 ... 03VT43WFXE" onclick= "window.open(this.href);return false;

-jesse

bryan · Post by **bryan** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:42 am

Here's the Drumm/Gutzeit split:

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http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0MNGNOI18KYS30N0P92F8Z3VB2

Field Recordings 003

side drumm: "einar mumin played guitar & got hooked on over-using the delay, which resulting in our doing stuff without him, for the better parts 1,2 & 3"

side gutzeit: "simmer, children"

produced in the late winter of 1999 with the aid of computers

..so this places it after KD's "Second" and definitely has that sensibility, where a few choice sounds (mostly guitar-based) are focused on and carefully composed. Both the Drumm side and Gutzeit side are nice together.

Post by **mudd** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:47 am

did you outbid me for that ebay copy?

m

MRS · Post by **MRS** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:50 am

Yeah I wan't even close w/my bid either.

flies · Post by **flies** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:20 pm

ppl realy think comedy is a good intro to KD? to me, it's his worst release, plus it's unlike everything he's ever done. so the organ stuff sounds good for a few minutes, but i am one of teh many ppl who can't hear the subtle eqing that he mentoned in some interview. it just repeats over and over and doesn't change, and it's not a very deep or textured sound IMO. Nothing else that i've heard of him has been so static, nor have i heard anything else that he's done with organ.

Then there's the synthy stuff in the middle, which i really like, but again it's totally different from his other work! much cleaner... the fact that there's less than 20 minutes of that stuff plus nearly a half hour of non-movement on the CD makes it my least favorite of his works, having heard LoL, SHM, 1st, 2nd, Frozen by Blizzard winds, and a bunch of his collabs...

jkudler · Post by **jkudler** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:57 pm

flies wrote:ppl realy think comedy is a good intro to KD? to me, it's his worst release, plus it's unlike everything he's ever done. so the organ stuff sounds good for a few minutes, but i am one of teh many ppl who can't hear the subtle eqing that he mentoned in some interview. it just repeats over and over and doesn't change, and it's not a very deep or textured sound IMO. Nothing else that i've heard of him has been so static, nor have i heard anything else that he's done with organ.

listen to it louder.

my favorite record to wake up to for several years.

also, cage said, "repetition is a form of change."

flies wrote:Then there's the synthy stuff in the middle, which i really like, but again it's totally different from his other work!

uh, i can't speak to the significance of it being different from his other work. but i really like this material. totally trance-inducing, great use of stereo. .

-jesse

flies · Post by **flies** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:06 pm

i agree that repetition is a form of change, but the quality of the change created by this repetition is that the sound becomes less and less interesting. that's a not the kind of change we like to see. I will listen to it louder tho.

I really like that synth stuff too, but it doesn't make a good introduction to the man's work, which is why i mentioned it.

jon abbey · Post by **jon abbey** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:09 pm

well, FWIW, I agree that comedy is one of kevin's least interesting records, and I disagree that "repetition is a form of change", even if the great god JC spaketh it.

jkudler · Post by **jkudler** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:22 pm

the best description i've heard of 'comedy' is that it's KD's version of 'earth 2.' great doomy sludge for organ. sounds so so good cranked.

re: cage:

http://www.lcdf.org/indeterminacy/s.cgi?76" onclick= "window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.lcdf.org/indeterminacy/s.cgi?75" onclick= "window.open(this.href);return false;

-jesse

jon abbey · Post by **jon abbey** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:25 pm

I'm well aware of those quotes/stories, but that doesn't mean I necessarily believe them.

MRS · Post by **MRS** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:26 pm

Do you mean Comedy, Jesse?

jkudler · Post by **jkudler** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:30 pm

MRS wrote:Do you mean Comedy, Jesse?

duh, thank you. i have a cold, is my excuse. edited above.

-jesse

jkudler · Post by **jkudler** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:31 pm

jon abbey wrote:I'm well aware of those quotes/stories, but that doesn't mean I necessarily believe them.

i wasn't trying to convince you or nothing, jon - i just think they're interesting/funny.

-jesse

jon abbey · Post by **jon abbey** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:41 pm

yeah, I know, I just have a problem with people who think that "John Cage said it, so it must be true" (dunno if that applies to you or not). Cage's statements need to be analyzed on their own, just like everyone else's. Greg Davis and I have had a couple of back and forths about this, I believe, if not here, maybe on SLSK.

flies · Post by **flies** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:45 pm

ever read francisco lopez's article about where he differs from john cage? http://www.franciscolopez.net/cage.html" onclick= "window.open(this.href);return false;

i have to say taht i agree with lopez;s criticisms for the most part. I mainly disagree about the extent to which Cage's approach has affected music; lopez writes as though Cage were the only major musical theorist of the 20th century.

jon abbey · Post by **jon abbey** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:59 pm

interesting, thanks, I hadn't seen that.

jkudler · Post by **jkudler** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:34 pm

jon abbey wrote:yeah, I know, I just have a problem with people who think that "John Cage said it, so it must be true" (dunno if that applies to you or not). Cage's statements need to be analyzed on their own, just like everyone else's. Greg Davis and I have had a couple of back and forths about this, I believe, if not here, maybe on SLSK.

oh, of course i don't slavishly follow everything cage said. if that were true, i probably wouldn't play improvised music!

i think cage, like a lot of theorists, probably played the provocateur a bit, deliberately saying slightly over-the-top things. sorry i don't have a good example right now. but i do find a lot of his stories, anecdotes, theories, ideas interesting. i'm not really a strict acolyte of anyone (i hope), but cage's work is an important part of the dialogue. i provided the quote above because it's something to think about and relevant to the context.

thanks for posting the lopez article, flies. if i recall, echoes some of the criticisms from cardew's 'stockhausen serves imperialism'

http://www.ubu.com/historical/cardew/cardew.html" onclick= "window.open(this.href);return false;

-jesse

jon abbey · Post by **jon abbey** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:50 pm

jkudler wrote:i think cage, like a lot of theorists, probably played the provocateur a bit, deliberately saying slightly over-the-top things.

I think this is totally true, I was thinking a bit about this after my last post.

so some of cage's writings involves ideas that are meant to be thought about, not just accepted at face value (which is pretty much the same thing I recently wrote here about keith's liner notes for doris). that was my only point here.