reccommend me some krautrock

Stevo · Post by **Stevo** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:36 am

jon abbey wrote:that one has plenty of problems too, it's way too tolerant of the self-indulgent prog end of things for one. both books are worth checking out, neither has especially trustworthy taste.

Should just point out that if you're looking for either as a book you will be paying exorbitant prices. There is a PDF of Krautrocksampler going around, though I don't think JC approves. Still until he reprints the book there will be a demand for it. He's said that what he thought & said at the time he published it has changed greatly enough that he'd have to heavily redo it which he's not ready to.
Also Crack In The Cosmic Egg has been released as a cd rom pretty recently. I think it might have been updated somewhat. the book was going for triple figures last time I looked on amazon for it.
Ultima Thule the Leicester record shop that produced it used to have a website with pretty in depth entries. That was a few years back so might not still be true.

Oh yeah Krautrocksampler does seem to be readily available in German. Fitting language for the scene but I don't know how useful it is for you.

Post by **grisha** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:35 am

Stevo wrote:Ultima Thule the Leicester record shop that produced it used to have a website with pretty in depth entries. That was a few years back so might not still be true.

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Zuhzuhzombie!! · Post by **Zuhzuhzombie!!** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:14 pm

I played this again after a few years recently and suddenly found it pompous and annoying. The first minute or so is still great, but those vocals...no.

I love Yeti and Tanz der Lemminge (and Wolf City, to an extent), but I simply can't listen to Phallus Dei either.

German Oak - s/t

Came across a vinyl boot of this a long while back. Either before or right around the album was re-released. Has the extra tracks on it, but it's not from Radioactive.

but early Kraftwerk is one of my mini-obsessions at the moment.

By early Kraftwerk do you mean the bluesy jammy stuff?

Dunno if anyone mentioned La D?sseldorf. Formed from the ashes of Neu!. David Bowie once referred to them as the soundtrack to the 80s. Kinda poppy, kinda symphonic. Check them out. Neu!'s pretty good too.

I'm a very big Popol Vuh fan. The more new agey stuff is fine, but I much prefer the later material that featured Guitarist and Drummer Daniel Fichelscher. He was previously in Amon Duul II. Einsj?ger und Siebenj?ger, Letzte Tage - Letzte N?chte, and Sei still, wisse ICH BIN are amazing albums.

I also recommend Manuel G?ttsching's E2-E4. Though this was released way after Krautrock had died.

No matter what anyone tells you, stay far FAR away from Zweistein.

I'll take a moment to go against the grain a bit and put myself out there. I think Circle are insanely overrated. They have a few good albums (Forest, Sunrise), but I've heard dozens of others that are a real disappointment.

Pharoah Overlord's first three albums and their two live albums are good. Don't care for 4 for the same reasons I don't care for Circle.

If there's mention of "modern Kruatrock", I'd like to include Tortoise's Millions Now Living will Never Die.

EDIT

Anyone know if La! Neu? is worth checking out?

user_3484 · Post by **user_3484** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:39 pm

i'll agree wholeheartedly on the circle comment - totally overrated. And yes, Pharoah Overlord's much better, but what happened with 4??

I dug that Tortoise and the first one at the time, but I can't even imagine going back to them now. What's transpired from Tortoise since then has more than tainted their whole body of work for me. oh well.

sidar · Post by **sidar** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:48 pm

Friday Night, August 14th wrote:I'm a very big Popol Vuh fan. The more new agey stuff is fine, but I much prefer the later material that featured Guitarist and Drummer Daniel Fichelscher. He was previously in Amon Duul II. Einsj?ger und Siebenj?ger, Letzte Tage - Letzte N?chte, and Sei still, wisse ICH BIN are amazing albums.

I prefer earlier Popol Vuh. Fricke was responsible for two of the most beautiful albums ever, "In den G?rten Pharaos" (esp. side-A) and "Hosianna Mantra".

Friday Night, August 14th wrote:No matter what anyone tells you, stay far FAR away from Zweistein.

...but it's a pretty mini-LP sleeve!

Anyone want mine?

Post by **grisha** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:58 pm

Saturn wrote:i'll agree wholeheartedly on the circle comment - totally overrated.

what does that mean overrated? nobody claims some insanely high place in the music history pantheon for them. or you just don't like them as much as some people seem to? i really like some of their album, and some of them less. i don't really consider them kraut in any way, though. if non-german bands, then i'd go with 2 Bis / Alpes (up to Le temps de l'autre), and Brast Burn and Karuna Khyal.

user_5368 · Post by **user_5368** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:10 pm

I have only just started listening to Popol Vuh - even though they'd been a familiar name - and I found their album Affenstunde to be very good.
Very, very good. Nobody has mentioned that album, however, so I am incredibly excited at the prospect of continuing down this line of interest into deeper Popol Vuh.

NOW. What I do know is that modern kraut-rock is an odd redux of the work done in the 70s. That isn't saying much, I guess - what's 'odd'? - though I would really like to know why they are considered to be of the same genre when they are so far separated in time and cause.

I really like this 'original' kraut-rock... because it's not so much about the, what's it, mechanical drumming element: motorik. And is instead open experimentation... hoorah!

Anyway, great thread - I will look out for all those artists.

Zuhzuhzombie!! · Post by **Zuhzuhzombie!!** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:32 am

Saturn wrote: And yes, Pharoah Overlord's much better, but what happened with 4??

Well, Pharoah Overlord... what I dub about them was the repetition. With 4 they just kinda did what Circle had already done with the whole Finnish metal thing. Reminded me in ways of Sunrise, but not as good.

I dug that Tortoise and the first one at the time, but I can't even imagine going back to them now. What's transpired from Tortoise since then has more than tainted their whole body of work for me. oh well.

I still pull out Millions Now Living and TNT every now and then. I remember Standards not being too bad either, but their last two albums have been incredibly disappointing. I saw them live a few years ago with the Ex Models and Beans and they had a great live show.

Kinda just lost their edge.

I liked Isotope 217 too.

I prefer earlier Popol Vuh. Fricke was responsible for two of the most beautiful albums ever, "In den G?rten Pharaos" (esp. side-A) and "Hosianna Mantra".

I'm fickle about Moogs and the like. Don't mind them, and they're really good in Nosferatu, though. Which is another album I like, even though it borrows material from other albums.

Anyone want mine?

Sure. I'll toss it up on eBay.

what does that mean overrated?

In my case, when people start discussing Circle albums, the lists usually have a bunch of throw aways.

I think they had a 2CD out lately that was just... boring.

But everyone I know loved it.

What I do know is that modern kraut-rock is an odd redux of the work done in the 70s. That isn't saying much, I guess - what's 'odd'? - though I would really like to know why they are considered to be of the same genre when they are so far separated in time and cause.

I think of it kinda as how Prog and Fusion are still being tossed around, even though there aren't really any Prog or Fusion bands around, sans the old timers.

I really like this 'original' kraut-rock... because it's not so much about the, what's it, mechanical drumming element: motorik. And is instead open experimentation... hoorah!

That's more of a misnomer than truth. Amon Duul II's album Phallus Dei is often cited as "The First Krautrock Album" and it doesn't really have much of the genre trappings. Can and Neu! may share some qualities, but they're pretty different in alot of regards, and nothing like mid to later day Popol Vuh, and only passingly similar to Tangerine Dream. There was lots of experimentation, drones, noise, etc.

Honestly, the way I see it, the same vibe was being produced else where. Europe had Hawkwind, Pink Floyd, Caravan, and, well, The Beatles. US had Silver Apples, The Grateful Dead, Frank Zappa and, well, The Beach Boys. Basically, lots of good bands were headed in similar directions around a similar time, experimentation and making use of the studio. I always thought that was kinda cool, and we can blame LSD.

But Krautrock (and Krautrock inspired bands) has a distinctive quality that I can't really explain. Dunno.

user_3484 · Post by **user_3484** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:19 am

grisha,

by overrated, i meant that almost every review I read of Circle raves about them. A lot of people I know eat up every release and think they're amazing. Aquarius Records has an ongoing love affair with them. etc... I find them clinical, boring, and fairly uninspired. Not always, of course, but for the most part...

Re: Brast Burn and Karuna Khyal - YES YES YES!!! Both are amazing records that need to be heard by more people.

meadowphantasm · Post by **meadowphantasm** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:40 pm

recommend me some popol vuh and heldon please.

Post by **mudd** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:42 pm

someone just created a richard pinhas thread, maybe take the heldon leg of that query there.

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Zuhzuhzombie!! · Post by **Zuhzuhzombie!!** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:42 pm

meadowphantasm wrote:recommend me some popol vuh

Einsj?ger und Siebenj?ger, Letzte Tage - Letzte N?chte, Nosferatu, and Sei still, wisse ICH BIN.

Zuhzuhzombie!! · Post by **Zuhzuhzombie!!** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:02 pm

http://www.editionsmego.com/twiki/bin/v ... e#emego090" onclick= "window.open(this.href);return false;

Editions Mego has a Popol Vuh remix 12" for sale.

Couldn't imagine a Popol Vuh remix.

Salty Swift · Post by **Salty Swift** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:14 pm

Friday Night, August 14th wrote:http://www.editionsmego.com/twiki/bin/v ... e#emego090

Editions Mego has a Popol Vuh remix 12" for sale.

Couldn't imagine a Popol Vuh remix.

Oh, this one's really sweet.
Believe me.....hard to imagine, but it is.

bedouin · Post by **bedouin** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:28 pm

Klaus Dinger (Mr. Neu motorik-beat) - RIP
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/arts/ ... yt&emc=rss

Definitely, a giant..

"There were three great beats in the ?70s: Fela Kuti?s Afrobeat, James Brown?s funk and Klaus Dinger?s Neu! beat.? - Brian Eno

Zuhzuhzombie!! · Post by **Zuhzuhzombie!!** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:07 am

Salty Swift wrote:
Friday Night, August 14th wrote:http://www.editionsmego.com/twiki/bin/v ... e#emego090

Editions Mego has a Popol Vuh remix 12" for sale.

Couldn't imagine a Popol Vuh remix.

Oh, this one's really sweet.
Believe me.....hard to imagine, but it is.

Recommended?

GODOT · Post by **GODOT** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:14 am

As for modern Krautrock, or at least bands that keep the flame burning in a variety of ways, check out Religious Knives.

Their new live album on Archive is incredible, really stripped back and simple and totally motorik! The studio stuff (which is mostly collections of ltd cdrs/tour splits etc) is way dubbier - huge swamps of delay/drone/goo - absolutely incredible.

Haven't heard a bad release yet, and Nate Nelson is the rock drummer of this century like.

Dead C also had a fair bit of Krautrock n them too. Check out Heat for a prime example.

But yeah, pretty much everything else mentioned is a winner.

Salty Swift · Post by **Salty Swift** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:25 am

Friday Night, August 14th wrote:
Salty Swift wrote:
Friday Night, August 14th wrote:http://www.editionsmego.com/twiki/bin/v ... e#emego090

Editions Mego has a Popol Vuh remix 12" for sale.

Couldn't imagine a Popol Vuh remix.

Oh, this one's really sweet.
Believe me.....hard to imagine, but it is.
Recommended?

Very much so!!
Though it's a bit brief - 2 tracks clock in at a mere 20 min.....it's a 12" after all.

user_5396 · Post by **user_5396** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:40 pm

lugong wrote:I have only just started listening to Popol Vuh - even though they'd been a familiar name - and I found their album Affenstunde to be very good.
Very, very good. Nobody has mentioned that album, however, so I am incredibly excited at the prospect of continuing down this line of interest into deeper Popol Vuh.

You are going to be disappointed, as "Affenstunde" is the only Popol Vuh record in that style. It's a great, great album though.

I really like the Amon Duul album "Paradisewarts Duul," and haven't seen it mentioned yet. Tremendous communal hippie vibe. Vocals/acoustic gtr oriented. Really great.

Drinky · Post by **Drinky** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:14 pm

sound.out.light wrote:
danfan wrote:
fearandpanic wrote: I played this again after a few years recently and suddenly found it pompous and annoying. The first minute or so is still great, but those vocals...no.
yeah the vocals are pretty fucking terrible, hahaha.
they make me laugh. doesn't really take away from the album for me though.

but ive always been partial to yeti, personally.

Anybody here heard the recent reissue of Phallus Dei that has two completely awful bonus tracks at the end? I forget what they're called, but they sound completely out of place and seem as if they might even have been recorded sometime in the last 20 years or so, certainly not in the late '60s/early '70s. Very, very lame.

And yeah, I'm not really big on that album, either, but I love Yeti and Tanz der Lemminge.